calling all ict users, nothing big just looking for a yes or two

Does anyone use ict and the ch without any other blue addmixes and have success. I like my mixes as they are, should be right around 8000psi range. Not looking to open a can here, just anyone only use ict and ch with non blue addmixes?

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Good question Mike.  I always wondered this too.  I know the blue products are excellent and the users are loyal so I don't know of any that mix and match product lines.  The guys that they have put together at Delta (BLUE) are all top of the line.  

It's tough to purchase and ship an expensive array of sealer products along with the IR thermometer and moisture meter only to find that the Z line of products is the only way ICT functions properly. The majority of those that post on the blue forum are very loyal to the ICT sealer product. Many have been doing this for years too and have learned from their mistakes along the way and landed on the ICT sealer system.  

Mark C is doing a bunch of testing perhaps he's going to do various sealer tests too.   

Yeah they all love the whole system over there, but they have some serious issues going on too. Read the ch thread over there, and that's not the only oone.i have enough serious issues of my own still that I need to work through, and I like nano. I kind of doubt trinic will be testing ict anytime soon. I am afraid of the weather issue with it too, I think that's why sb never worked for me either. Frigid cold, low humidity and blazing hot high humidity in northern il I think is brutal when you are trying to achieve a sort of chemical bonding perfection with a sealer. Not everyoneis successful over there, I read a lot of post similar to my sb posts from a few months ago. I would like to try it out though.

Yes I have and do. It's real nice. It took me a bit to get happy with my applications though.

Cool thanks

I am your guy.I use ICT  and counter hard and clean and set. Let me blow your mind a little. I don't use a moisture meter or heat plankets or the z system ,but I do use the sealer. ICT is one of the best if not the best sealer I have ever used. It is not difficult to apply at all. I even mix and match with ICT,meaning I use other densifiers with the first seals and I use different sealers with the counter hard. The key to ICT is your concrete needs to be cured and it definitely helps if it is warm. I use CSA in 80% of my work so I seal with ICT as soon as 1 hour after I pour. With standard OPC mix designs I wait at least 3-4 days before I seal. I also live in AZ so at the moment it is 100+ outside ,so this adds for quicker moisture evacuation and it warms up the concrete to 100+ for applying ICT. I have found when I have used other sealers and gotten a less than perfect finish I often use first seals over it and it repairs a lot of the imperfections. I must say I was a skeptic at first but I now preach the Gospel  of ICT. O ya by the way f*** all topical sealers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One other thing so it is clear,I am not knocking the Z system and some day I may very well use it. At this point CSA is my thing as I am a very busy man and often don't have time for OPC. But my mix changes per project I do. I would advise you to not get fundamental about your mix designs as concrete can do many things with subtle tweeks.

Wow...you blew my mind for sure.  I've messed around with ICT  and I use most of the Z system and I use Trinic's products as well.  Don't mix them up, just use them differently.  I gotta say, all the threads about ICT and the protocol just became too much for me.  S***'s hard enough as it is without having to get into this advanced, pia, ever-changing protocol with meters and heat and applying on cool down, on warm up, when the moon's rising....so I bagged on it. 

I will say that I think the concrete people put out has a great impact on its performance and the finish...grind vs light sand and I'm pretty sure you grind most things and make some dense concrete?  There seems to be a common link between those two things and success and failure.  Who knows though?  I'd be willing to offer ground only tops for kitchens and the like if it works.  I really like the honed look for some things, but if it will fail, I could get over it. 

I'm not too far along into all this, but I've been very reserved offering tops because I read all the stories and there's no way I could make it if I had to go and mess with them all the time.  I'm very glad to hear you're having success with it. 

Hoping you wouldn't mind answering a few questions as your 'mix and match' got me thinking that despite all my reading, I might have missed the boat conceptually. 

(1).  CH is the densifier?

(2).  First Sealz is the actually 'sealer'?

(3)   What the hell does clean and set do?

(4) How's it working for you outdoors?

I realize these things maybe ought to be obvious, but until I read your post, I never really put 2 and 2 together.  It was all kind of a mystery what was doing what.  Appreciate the post. 

First sealz XTP is for out door applications. Regular first sealz is for interior applications
Sweet I will give it shot then. 5 days post cure and 110deg concrete, we'll see what happens. Yeah I got you on staying flexible with mix design, I just didn't want to switch all my addmixes. Thanks again man, I feel like I owe you a Christmas gift for all the advice. Dusty, don't place an order tomorrow. I want to talk to these guys!

Well Steve Depending on who you talk to I will tell you that Counter hard is a densifier but Schuler might tell you otherwise and first seals is the acrylic sealer that you put over it. One thing is you do not need much i don't way it lol. I spray it on and wipe it of and repeat. First seals is a reactive sealer this means it reacts to other things causing it to cure . So if you spray counter hard over it that can begin the reaction process also  clean and set I believe is vinegar with some other additives not shire what but this also starts the sealer to set. Mike geting your concrete to 110 degrees opens your concrete and helps to absorb these products but I do not think getting it that hot is super crucial ,don't get me wrong if you can great but if you anly have the ability to get your piece to 80degrees it will still absorb and a roofing blow torch is also a option but be carefull to not blow up your concrete as it has trapped moisture in it and you can cause it to explode. I have not used XTP but I have used first seals outside and it has held up great,given I live in AZ so not to many drastic weather conditions other than hot. The thing with ICT is it seams more concentrated than other products I have used and I would say it is worth the money. Also with everything ample curing time is key,don't start using a top three days after you seal it,let it live for a while before you put s*** on it.

Steve said:

Wow...you blew my mind for sure.  I've messed around with ICT  and I use most of the Z system and I use Trinic's products as well.  Don't mix them up, just use them differently.  I gotta say, all the threads about ICT and the protocol just became too much for me.  S***'s hard enough as it is without having to get into this advanced, pia, ever-changing protocol with meters and heat and applying on cool down, on warm up, when the moon's rising....so I bagged on it. 

I will say that I think the concrete people put out has a great impact on its performance and the finish...grind vs light sand and I'm pretty sure you grind most things and make some dense concrete?  There seems to be a common link between those two things and success and failure.  Who knows though?  I'd be willing to offer ground only tops for kitchens and the like if it works.  I really like the honed look for some things, but if it will fail, I could get over it. 

I'm not too far along into all this, but I've been very reserved offering tops because I read all the stories and there's no way I could make it if I had to go and mess with them all the time.  I'm very glad to hear you're having success with it. 

Hoping you wouldn't mind answering a few questions as your 'mix and match' got me thinking that despite all my reading, I might have missed the boat conceptually. 

(1).  CH is the densifier?

(2).  First Sealz is the actually 'sealer'?

(3)   What the hell does clean and set do?

(4) How's it working for you outdoors?

I realize these things maybe ought to be obvious, but until I read your post, I never really put 2 and 2 together.  It was all kind of a mystery what was doing what.  Appreciate the post. 



Steve said:

 

One other thing is YES I make some dense as concrete! The difference between standard GFRC and CSA GFRC is night and day. My CSA is harder in 10 minutes than my GFRC is in 2 weeks. I s*** you not if I do not grind immediately and I am talking as fast as I can get it out of the form I might as well be grinding steel in fact I think steel grinds easier. The main reason I grind 80% of my work is because you can't  light sand CSA! You ever tried to light sand a rock?

Wow...you blew my mind for sure.  I've messed around with ICT  and I use most of the Z system and I use Trinic's products as well.  Don't mix them up, just use them differently.  I gotta say, all the threads about ICT and the protocol just became too much for me.  S***'s hard enough as it is without having to get into this advanced, pia, ever-changing protocol with meters and heat and applying on cool down, on warm up, when the moon's rising....so I bagged on it. 

I will say that I think the concrete people put out has a great impact on its performance and the finish...grind vs light sand and I'm pretty sure you grind most things and make some dense concrete?  There seems to be a common link between those two things and success and failure.  Who knows though?  I'd be willing to offer ground only tops for kitchens and the like if it works.  I really like the honed look for some things, but if it will fail, I could get over it. 

I'm not too far along into all this, but I've been very reserved offering tops because I read all the stories and there's no way I could make it if I had to go and mess with them all the time.  I'm very glad to hear you're having success with it. 

Hoping you wouldn't mind answering a few questions as your 'mix and match' got me thinking that despite all my reading, I might have missed the boat conceptually. 

(1).  CH is the densifier?

(2).  First Sealz is the actually 'sealer'?

(3)   What the hell does clean and set do?

(4) How's it working for you outdoors?

I realize these things maybe ought to be obvious, but until I read your post, I never really put 2 and 2 together.  It was all kind of a mystery what was doing what.  Appreciate the post. 

Two weeks post sealer application is good for general use? That would be my limit. As far as stain resistance, what are you telling people? for wipe up and clean of a liquid, with nano seal I plan on giving people 8hrs of exposure time. Beyond that and a little elbow grease from the homeowner or myself might be necessary to restore to like new condition. I know that's not even close to great performance but I know that's what it is. Not even getting into scratch resistance. I read a lot of crazy stuff on Blues forum, are you getting consistent results with it?

If anyone has any new sb1 success or failure stories I would be interested in those too. I could never get more than 1.5hrs vinegar resistance with it, damn near scratch proof though.

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