Need help with applying GG ( GiGi) endurable sealer from Ecobeton

Hello everyone, 

I m new to the forum and have been reading a lot through the site. All your posts are great and I m learning a lot ! 

I bought some endurable sealer ( comp A + comp B ) and I have had trouble applying it. I heard that it is supposed to be a really good sealer for inside and outdoors, and it is food safe aswell.

I tried to apply it the same way that was written on the notice but it this didn t work at all ! The mix (2 part A + 1 part B + 3 part water ) is pretty stiff and hard to apply with a microfiber cloth.

I also did a stain test (wine, coffee, lemon juice, oil ) which was unsuccesfull.  

I read in the the forum that it could be applied the same way as Trinic s H12 or surcrete XS327. So first coat :1part mix to 7 water , then 1:4 , then 1:3 and if needed 1:2. Applied with a foam roller. 

But how much of the sealer you should use / coat ? The product is very expensive and I wouldn t like to waist any of it by overapplying it. 

Thanks a lot for you help ! And If you have any good sealer recommendation here in Europe I would appreciate it ! 

Ilkka

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I do a 1:6,1:4 and one or two 1:3. Mix part a+b for a couple of minutes, let sit for 5min. Mix part a+b with water for a couple of minutes, let sit for 10min.

Use a foam roller and fully saturate our piece with your 1:6 mix. When it doesn´t absorb any more roll of excess, and continue until the all the bubbles/foam are gone.

Sure it´s exspensive but you use so little at a time so don´t be cheap about it! And also, be precise with your measuring!

100ml a+b for a 3m countertop is to much and 50ml a+b probably too little. For one coat that is. Also how much you gona need depends on your concrete.

This sealer applied right, is awesome! almost impossible to get roller marks and the matte version is extremely natrual looking. Great stain and scratch resistance. Dries fast without it flashing of. 4 coats is no problem in a day. If you do stain and scratch test wait 7 Days for a fair result.

I have used both H-12 and xs-327 before, but now i´m only using GIGI.

//Jimmy


Hi Jimmy, 

Thanks a lot for the info Jimmy  ! 

I will go test that out today and let you know who it works. 

Take care  !

Ilkka


Jimmy @ Conceptbetong said:

I do a 1:6,1:4 and one or two 1:3. Mix part a+b for a couple of minutes, let sit for 5min. Mix part a+b with water for a couple of minutes, let sit for 10min.

Use a foam roller and fully saturate our piece with your 1:6 mix. When it doesn´t absorb any more roll of excess, and continue until the all the bubbles/foam are gone.

Sure it´s exspensive but you use so little at a time so don´t be cheap about it! And also, be precise with your measuring!

100ml a+b for a 3m countertop is to much and 50ml a+b probably too little. For one coat that is. Also how much you gona need depends on your concrete.

This sealer applied right, is awesome! almost impossible to get roller marks and the matte version is extremely natrual looking. Great stain and scratch resistance. Dries fast without it flashing of. 4 coats is no problem in a day. If you do stain and scratch test wait 7 Days for a fair result.

I have used both H-12 and xs-327 before, but now i´m only using GIGI.

//Jimmy

Jimmy method is fairly similar to how i do it. i usually start 1part sealer :4 parts water, wet and roll,roll,roll,roll..... then follow it up a 1:3 / 1:2.5. depending on the concrete. hand trowelled i usually use slightly less water, i have been getting great results with 2 coats but i will usually do 3 to be on the safe side.

a concrete geek put me onto gi gi a few years back and the guy told me to mix comp A with comp B stir them really well together, add a little bit of your water and stir again, then pour it into a plastic bottle , use the rest of the water to clean out everything from the cup and tip it into the bottle, then put the lid on and shake like crazy, it gets really foamy and looks like there is no way its going to work, but using this method i have not had any mixing issues. 

i had huge trouble when i tried using micro fibre pads, rolling is the way to go. 

i did several things in my own house 2 years ago when i first started using it and its damn near bullet proof. a couple of sinks, a couple of benches and a bathroom/laundry floor and walls. its all still looking great.

for larger stuff putting it on with a spray pack helps, you can get a dry edge if its left too long in a puddle, (this has only happened to me when the concrete has been very warm, had direct sun on it prior to sealing)

Thanks for the great tips  ! how much GiGi do you use / squaremeter / coat ? Seems like I m using too little.... I read on the notice 25g of comps A / sqm (but is that per coat ?) ....

Would you recommend using GiGi  for an outdoor table ? 

Thanks again ! 

creativeconcepts said:

Jimmy method is fairly similar to how i do it. i usually start 1part sealer :4 parts water, wet and roll,roll,roll,roll..... then follow it up a 1:3 / 1:2.5. depending on the concrete. hand trowelled i usually use slightly less water, i have been getting great results with 2 coats but i will usually do 3 to be on the safe side.

a concrete geek put me onto gi gi a few years back and the guy told me to mix comp A with comp B stir them really well together, add a little bit of your water and stir again, then pour it into a plastic bottle , use the rest of the water to clean out everything from the cup and tip it into the bottle, then put the lid on and shake like crazy, it gets really foamy and looks like there is no way its going to work, but using this method i have not had any mixing issues. 

i had huge trouble when i tried using micro fibre pads, rolling is the way to go. 

i did several things in my own house 2 years ago when i first started using it and its damn near bullet proof. a couple of sinks, a couple of benches and a bathroom/laundry floor and walls. its all still looking great.

for larger stuff putting it on with a spray pack helps, you can get a dry edge if its left too long in a puddle, (this has only happened to me when the concrete has been very warm, had direct sun on it prior to sealing)

i dont have exact figures, but i think its less than that per coat, it always seemed like it was not going to be enough, i usually dont mix smaller than 20g comp A, 10g comp B plus water because i my scales are only doing 1 g increments. that is more than enough to do sink


Hi , 

I ve been using Endurable sealer for couple months and it seems to work right. Sometimes I might have drying issues after a day sealing, meaning that the last coat ( 3: 1) dries very slowly and the tops may stay sticky for a long period of time. Do you think this is due to the product curing? Sometimes when in a hurry I might just wipe the tops with acetone but I m not sure if that s the proper way to do it. Buffering wont work since the pieces are too sticky.


creativeconcepts said:

i dont have exact figures, but i think its less than that per coat, it always seemed like it was not going to be enough, i usually dont mix smaller than 20g comp A, 10g comp B plus water because i my scales are only doing 1 g increments. that is more than enough to do sink

My guess would be that you put on the third/final coat to early.

//Jimmy

the first coat will sets fastest and is the trickiest to apply,  get it right the other coats are very easy. i very rarely use a third coat now. the second coat will take a lot longer to set than the first one because the water is not sucked into the concrete like the first coat so the time between first and second coat is much faster than subsequent coats. on a warm piece in a low humidity the drying time of the second coat can happen fast but slows down a lot as temps get below 20degreesC. 

Hi guys

Came across this thread and had a few questions I hope you could answer.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on Endurable when I google it.   I checked out the HDIPINC.COM website and have to say if not for what I've read in this thread I wouldn't give it a second glance.  Seems like a pretty low budget sketchy website that doesn't exactly give me confidence is what they're selling.

That being said I still want to give it a try.

1) How did you guys hear about this product.

2)I am assuming that the GiGi sealer your talking about is what is just called "Endurable Sealer" on their website"?  Not the F1 sealer.

3)Jimmy and Creativeconcepts, how long have you guys been using Endurable?

4)Jimmy, you said you've used Trinic and xs 327 before but now only use GiGi.  Why did you switch?  Is it easier to apply?  Are you getting better results?

  I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.

Any info or experiences you can share would be great.

Thanks,

Rob

Robert Handler

 I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.


The XS 327 issue you're having could be caused by how part A and B is being mixed. I learned that these 2 parts need to be mixed mechanically with a jiffy type mix paddle and drill, not stirred together. The only time I had the same gummy issue you're having was when I stirred the two parts by hand with a stick. 



Robert Handler said:

Hi guys

Came across this thread and had a few questions I hope you could answer.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on Endurable when I google it.   I checked out the HDIPINC.COM website and have to say if not for what I've read in this thread I wouldn't give it a second glance.  Seems like a pretty low budget sketchy website that doesn't exactly give me confidence is what they're selling.

That being said I still want to give it a try.

1) How did you guys hear about this product.

2)I am assuming that the GiGi sealer your talking about is what is just called "Endurable Sealer" on their website"?  Not the F1 sealer.

3)Jimmy and Creativeconcepts, how long have you guys been using Endurable?

4)Jimmy, you said you've used Trinic and xs 327 before but now only use GiGi.  Why did you switch?  Is it easier to apply?  Are you getting better results?

  I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.

Any info or experiences you can share would be great.

Thanks,

Rob

Rob, i started using it about 3 years ago. i had a chance meeting with a guy who has the distribution in europe, he has a line called ecobeton, some very interesting products but not really much use in countertop production, he is very skeptical on all the "greatest sealers" etc but keeps pretty good tabs on whats out there and how it performs. the Gi Gi endurable sealer and F1 has not really been marketed torwards counter tops, its hardly been marketed at all. he gave me a sample to play with. initial attempts following manufacturer instructions were not good. due to the small scale of countertops and sinks, spraying is not really practical. i eventually arrived on the rolling method (and felt pretty silly i hadnt figured it out sooner)and it has proven to be extremely reliable and the sealer performs better than anything else i have seen. there are a few slight variations to how its being applied, but most of the decorative concrete and countertop guys that i know who use it have very similar application methods. the most critical aspect is mixing. it is a simple process but if you dont mix it properly you can get problems, and its not easy to get rid of it if you mess it up.



Urban West said:

Hi Urban West

I have been mixing it thoroughly with a paddle and drill for 3 minutes, 10 minute sit, then add water and mix for 2 minutes.  I've been making sure my ratios are bang on as well.

Thanks for the input.

Robert Handler

 I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.


The XS 327 issue you're having could be caused by how part A and B is being mixed. I learned that these 2 parts need to be mixed mechanically with a jiffy type mix paddle and drill, not stirred together. The only time I had the same gummy issue you're having was when I stirred the two parts by hand with a stick. 

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