Need help with applying GG ( GiGi) endurable sealer from Ecobeton

Hello everyone, 

I m new to the forum and have been reading a lot through the site. All your posts are great and I m learning a lot ! 

I bought some endurable sealer ( comp A + comp B ) and I have had trouble applying it. I heard that it is supposed to be a really good sealer for inside and outdoors, and it is food safe aswell.

I tried to apply it the same way that was written on the notice but it this didn t work at all ! The mix (2 part A + 1 part B + 3 part water ) is pretty stiff and hard to apply with a microfiber cloth.

I also did a stain test (wine, coffee, lemon juice, oil ) which was unsuccesfull.  

I read in the the forum that it could be applied the same way as Trinic s H12 or surcrete XS327. So first coat :1part mix to 7 water , then 1:4 , then 1:3 and if needed 1:2. Applied with a foam roller. 

But how much of the sealer you should use / coat ? The product is very expensive and I wouldn t like to waist any of it by overapplying it. 

Thanks a lot for you help ! And If you have any good sealer recommendation here in Europe I would appreciate it ! 

Ilkka

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Thanks for the response.  You said the mixing process is critical and most guys you know apply it very similarly.  Are you mixing to manufacturers instructions regarding ratios and mix/induction times or did you come up with you own method?  And as for how it's applied is it similar to xs 327 and others where thinner coats makes for better results?
 
creativeconcepts said:



Robert Handler said:

Hi guys

Came across this thread and had a few questions I hope you could answer.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on Endurable when I google it.   I checked out the HDIPINC.COM website and have to say if not for what I've read in this thread I wouldn't give it a second glance.  Seems like a pretty low budget sketchy website that doesn't exactly give me confidence is what they're selling.

That being said I still want to give it a try.

1) How did you guys hear about this product.

2)I am assuming that the GiGi sealer your talking about is what is just called "Endurable Sealer" on their website"?  Not the F1 sealer.

3)Jimmy and Creativeconcepts, how long have you guys been using Endurable?

4)Jimmy, you said you've used Trinic and xs 327 before but now only use GiGi.  Why did you switch?  Is it easier to apply?  Are you getting better results?

  I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.

Any info or experiences you can share would be great.

Thanks,

Rob

Rob, i started using it about 3 years ago. i had a chance meeting with a guy who has the distribution in europe, he has a line called ecobeton, some very interesting products but not really much use in countertop production, he is very skeptical on all the "greatest sealers" etc but keeps pretty good tabs on whats out there and how it performs. the Gi Gi endurable sealer and F1 has not really been marketed torwards counter tops, its hardly been marketed at all. he gave me a sample to play with. initial attempts following manufacturer instructions were not good. due to the small scale of countertops and sinks, spraying is not really practical. i eventually arrived on the rolling method (and felt pretty silly i hadnt figured it out sooner)and it has proven to be extremely reliable and the sealer performs better than anything else i have seen. there are a few slight variations to how its being applied, but most of the decorative concrete and countertop guys that i know who use it have very similar application methods. the most critical aspect is mixing. it is a simple process but if you dont mix it properly you can get problems, and its not easy to get rid of it if you mess it up.


 Rob, i think it will vary depending on the piece to be sealed. i always mix the 2 sealer components as instructed, but i will vary the water content depending on the situation, my standard mix is 2(comp A):1(comp B):9 water. this is the first coat, the second coat i usually back the water down to 6parts. this works for most of my needs. i generally do cast in place trowell finished counter tops and some molded sinks. with some more honed looking, higher density gfrc pieces i find usinga higher water content for the first coat, up to about 12 parts. but this will vary depending on if you densify, what you use to densify, temperature, humidty etc, etc. best to keep it simple. 

  i measure and mix the sealer componants in a plastic cup and stir them by hand with a paint nixing stick, i add a bit of the water and stir some more, then pour it into an empty soda bottle, i use the rest of the mix water to rinse the cup several times and pour it into the soda bottle. put the cap on and shake like crazy for about 30 seconds. then i pour it directly on the concrete or work from a rolling tray. 
Robert Handler said:

Thanks for the response.  You said the mixing process is critical and most guys you know apply it very similarly.  Are you mixing to manufacturers instructions regarding ratios and mix/induction times or did you come up with you own method?  And as for how it's applied is it similar to xs 327 and others where thinner coats makes for better results?
 
creativeconcepts said:



Robert Handler said:

Hi guys

Came across this thread and had a few questions I hope you could answer.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on Endurable when I google it.   I checked out the HDIPINC.COM website and have to say if not for what I've read in this thread I wouldn't give it a second glance.  Seems like a pretty low budget sketchy website that doesn't exactly give me confidence is what they're selling.

That being said I still want to give it a try.

1) How did you guys hear about this product.

2)I am assuming that the GiGi sealer your talking about is what is just called "Endurable Sealer" on their website"?  Not the F1 sealer.

3)Jimmy and Creativeconcepts, how long have you guys been using Endurable?

4)Jimmy, you said you've used Trinic and xs 327 before but now only use GiGi.  Why did you switch?  Is it easier to apply?  Are you getting better results?

  I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.

Any info or experiences you can share would be great.

Thanks,

Rob

Rob, i started using it about 3 years ago. i had a chance meeting with a guy who has the distribution in europe, he has a line called ecobeton, some very interesting products but not really much use in countertop production, he is very skeptical on all the "greatest sealers" etc but keeps pretty good tabs on whats out there and how it performs. the Gi Gi endurable sealer and F1 has not really been marketed torwards counter tops, its hardly been marketed at all. he gave me a sample to play with. initial attempts following manufacturer instructions were not good. due to the small scale of countertops and sinks, spraying is not really practical. i eventually arrived on the rolling method (and felt pretty silly i hadnt figured it out sooner)and it has proven to be extremely reliable and the sealer performs better than anything else i have seen. there are a few slight variations to how its being applied, but most of the decorative concrete and countertop guys that i know who use it have very similar application methods. the most critical aspect is mixing. it is a simple process but if you dont mix it properly you can get problems, and its not easy to get rid of it if you mess it up.

Hi Rob,
1) pretty much by chance, and Google.

2) Yep would think so. It's not the F1 anyway.

3) For a year or so.

4) Logistics (from sweden), results, workabilty

Never hade any problems with it, worked like charm since day one.

Only thing that can happen sometimes is that you might get some patches of sealer that lies like film after the first coat. By that is easily fixed with a light acetone rub.

//Jimmy

Hey Creativeconcepts

You mention that your standard mix is 2 parts A: 1 part B? Is this correct or did you mean 1 part A: 2 part B? I ordered up some sealer not too long ago and when I received it I got the two bottles labeled component 1 and component 2.  Component 1 was about half the size and component 2 was the milky white liquid.  I talked to Brian at HDIPINC and he said the ratio is 1 part comp. 1: 2 parts component 2.

Any idea about this?

creativeconcepts said:


 Rob, i think it will vary depending on the piece to be sealed. i always mix the 2 sealer components as instructed, but i will vary the water content depending on the situation, my standard mix is 2(comp A):1(comp B):9 water. this is the first coat, the second coat i usually back the water down to 6parts. this works for most of my needs. i generally do cast in place trowell finished counter tops and some molded sinks. with some more honed looking, higher density gfrc pieces i find usinga higher water content for the first coat, up to about 12 parts. but this will vary depending on if you densify, what you use to densify, temperature, humidty etc, etc. best to keep it simple. 

  i measure and mix the sealer componants in a plastic cup and stir them by hand with a paint nixing stick, i add a bit of the water and stir some more, then pour it into an empty soda bottle, i use the rest of the mix water to rinse the cup several times and pour it into the soda bottle. put the cap on and shake like crazy for about 30 seconds. then i pour it directly on the concrete or work from a rolling tray. 
Robert Handler said:

Thanks for the response.  You said the mixing process is critical and most guys you know apply it very similarly.  Are you mixing to manufacturers instructions regarding ratios and mix/induction times or did you come up with you own method?  And as for how it's applied is it similar to xs 327 and others where thinner coats makes for better results?
 
creativeconcepts said:



Robert Handler said:

Hi guys

Came across this thread and had a few questions I hope you could answer.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on Endurable when I google it.   I checked out the HDIPINC.COM website and have to say if not for what I've read in this thread I wouldn't give it a second glance.  Seems like a pretty low budget sketchy website that doesn't exactly give me confidence is what they're selling.

That being said I still want to give it a try.

1) How did you guys hear about this product.

2)I am assuming that the GiGi sealer your talking about is what is just called "Endurable Sealer" on their website"?  Not the F1 sealer.

3)Jimmy and Creativeconcepts, how long have you guys been using Endurable?

4)Jimmy, you said you've used Trinic and xs 327 before but now only use GiGi.  Why did you switch?  Is it easier to apply?  Are you getting better results?

  I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.

Any info or experiences you can share would be great.

Thanks,

Rob

Rob, i started using it about 3 years ago. i had a chance meeting with a guy who has the distribution in europe, he has a line called ecobeton, some very interesting products but not really much use in countertop production, he is very skeptical on all the "greatest sealers" etc but keeps pretty good tabs on whats out there and how it performs. the Gi Gi endurable sealer and F1 has not really been marketed torwards counter tops, its hardly been marketed at all. he gave me a sample to play with. initial attempts following manufacturer instructions were not good. due to the small scale of countertops and sinks, spraying is not really practical. i eventually arrived on the rolling method (and felt pretty silly i hadnt figured it out sooner)and it has proven to be extremely reliable and the sealer performs better than anything else i have seen. there are a few slight variations to how its being applied, but most of the decorative concrete and countertop guys that i know who use it have very similar application methods. the most critical aspect is mixing. it is a simple process but if you dont mix it properly you can get problems, and its not easy to get rid of it if you mess it up.

Hi Robert, 

So I use 2 parts of the bigger bottle ( which is the milky one) and 1 part out of the smaller bottle (clear one). 

Hope this helps :) 



Robert Handler said:

Hey Creativeconcepts

You mention that your standard mix is 2 parts A: 1 part B? Is this correct or did you mean 1 part A: 2 part B? I ordered up some sealer not too long ago and when I received it I got the two bottles labeled component 1 and component 2.  Component 1 was about half the size and component 2 was the milky white liquid.  I talked to Brian at HDIPINC and he said the ratio is 1 part comp. 1: 2 parts component 2.

Any idea about this?

creativeconcepts said:


 Rob, i think it will vary depending on the piece to be sealed. i always mix the 2 sealer components as instructed, but i will vary the water content depending on the situation, my standard mix is 2(comp A):1(comp B):9 water. this is the first coat, the second coat i usually back the water down to 6parts. this works for most of my needs. i generally do cast in place trowell finished counter tops and some molded sinks. with some more honed looking, higher density gfrc pieces i find usinga higher water content for the first coat, up to about 12 parts. but this will vary depending on if you densify, what you use to densify, temperature, humidty etc, etc. best to keep it simple. 

  i measure and mix the sealer componants in a plastic cup and stir them by hand with a paint nixing stick, i add a bit of the water and stir some more, then pour it into an empty soda bottle, i use the rest of the mix water to rinse the cup several times and pour it into the soda bottle. put the cap on and shake like crazy for about 30 seconds. then i pour it directly on the concrete or work from a rolling tray. 
Robert Handler said:

Thanks for the response.  You said the mixing process is critical and most guys you know apply it very similarly.  Are you mixing to manufacturers instructions regarding ratios and mix/induction times or did you come up with you own method?  And as for how it's applied is it similar to xs 327 and others where thinner coats makes for better results?
 
creativeconcepts said:



Robert Handler said:

Hi guys

Came across this thread and had a few questions I hope you could answer.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on Endurable when I google it.   I checked out the HDIPINC.COM website and have to say if not for what I've read in this thread I wouldn't give it a second glance.  Seems like a pretty low budget sketchy website that doesn't exactly give me confidence is what they're selling.

That being said I still want to give it a try.

1) How did you guys hear about this product.

2)I am assuming that the GiGi sealer your talking about is what is just called "Endurable Sealer" on their website"?  Not the F1 sealer.

3)Jimmy and Creativeconcepts, how long have you guys been using Endurable?

4)Jimmy, you said you've used Trinic and xs 327 before but now only use GiGi.  Why did you switch?  Is it easier to apply?  Are you getting better results?

  I've started using xs 327 on a sample and am having trouble with it.  I'm mixing and applying it exactly as the instructions state.  My shop temp is around 20 degrees Celcius and RH is around 40%.   Primer coat goes on fine and dries within 20 minutes but I'm getting a gummy, kind of oily film after my first and second top coats.  I'm laying it on very thin but still getting this film going on three days after application.  Frustrating because you are supposed to wait for it to completely dry before laying down your next layer but you only have a 12 hour window between coats.

Any info or experiences you can share would be great.

Thanks,

Rob

Rob, i started using it about 3 years ago. i had a chance meeting with a guy who has the distribution in europe, he has a line called ecobeton, some very interesting products but not really much use in countertop production, he is very skeptical on all the "greatest sealers" etc but keeps pretty good tabs on whats out there and how it performs. the Gi Gi endurable sealer and F1 has not really been marketed torwards counter tops, its hardly been marketed at all. he gave me a sample to play with. initial attempts following manufacturer instructions were not good. due to the small scale of countertops and sinks, spraying is not really practical. i eventually arrived on the rolling method (and felt pretty silly i hadnt figured it out sooner)and it has proven to be extremely reliable and the sealer performs better than anything else i have seen. there are a few slight variations to how its being applied, but most of the decorative concrete and countertop guys that i know who use it have very similar application methods. the most critical aspect is mixing. it is a simple process but if you dont mix it properly you can get problems, and its not easy to get rid of it if you mess it up.

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